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  Myths are they Lies or Metaphors???

  by frankiespeakin in

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  i've been reading about joesph cambell.

  every where i research i hear his name as the greatest expert on myths in this 20th century so hear is a partial clip & link about his book "thou art that".

  click on link to read more:.

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  zen nudist

  I have found that experiences are facts but beliefs about them rarely can be validated...so what does that mean?

  it means that I experience a world and many things going on...but my view of what is real and what is happening is

  mostly fiction... everything I have read and learned points me to one conclusion...

  namely that everything I know is something my own organism has generated for my own contemplation, a dream... or metaphor?

  is what I dream representing reality as it exists? how can I tell? everything I use to judge is just more metaphors...I interact with these metaphors because they are the only world I know, but not the only world I can conceive and it is possible the "real" world may not be like this world at all.

  I do find, though, that what I believe alters what I experience and how I feel about it... I find beilefs do have a great deal of power.
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  National ID Cards

  by RescueMe in

  1. social
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  the u.s. house of representatives approved on thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic id cards, including driver's licenses.

  under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government.

  the bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.

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  zen nudist

  WE ARE BORG.....

  what real difference is it if the thug making you have an ID card is the state or the fed? I find the whole paranoia

  about who is monitoring the ID cards silly... the only thing I can find good about not allowing the FED to do it, is for the criminals who

  bank on the mass confusion that currently exists.... why worry about rights when it comes to IDs? we already have plenty of IDs and no one has lost anything that I can tell... but most states not communicating with each other over the IDs has allowed a lot of crooked stuff like big rig drivers who get new licenses when they blow out the old ones with fines and tickets... what are you really defending by preventing a national ID card?
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  An Apostate Myth

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  having read both of ray franz' books and more recently 'the gentile times reconsidered' by c. o jonsson you'd be forgiven for believing that losing the 607 b.c.e date for the destruction of jerusalem would end in disaster for the society.

  sorry but i just don't think so.. i'm sure many of the long-time witnesses who know the history of the society would truly have problems but most of the dubs just don't care!

  think about it, remember all those dubs you used to hang out with.

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  zen nudist

  we are BORG, lower your intellect, surrender your will, you physical and financial resources will be made to serve us, you will be baptized and dedicated. Resistance is futile.

  B rooklyn ORG anization
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  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

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  zen nudist

  It can all be explained with only one statement: Jehovah will make things all right. We need not worry.

  that cop out was used by umpteen JWs towards this issue, but the one thing they never allow is when another religion uses the very same thing....its a matter of faith... then they damn and castigate them for having doctrines of men...etc.
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  WT redefines the Beast, and 666!

  by little witch in

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  forgive me if this is old news, but i just found it on the "official" site.

  gone is the beast = un now it is all governments in their imperfect state.

  anyone who takes any active part in any government or even flirts with a government symbol.

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  zen nudist

  this is no different than when I left in 1990, no change, false alarm
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  Were You Really That Much Harmed Because You Were A Witness?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  looking back, did your being a jw hurt you all that much???

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  zen nudist

  I think being a JW was more positive for me than negative in many ways.... in a way I chose them as much as they wanted me

  because I was thinking along their lines so they provided me with associations of like minded people until I changed my mind and

  needed to find another group who fit my views of reality as they have evolved....I cannot blame anyone for being exactly what they are

  and while I was a sheep, I thought of my shepherds as friends rather than predators and fortunately I got out before I was fleeced and lead

  to any slaughter (^_^)*
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  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

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  zen nudist

  Very, very interesting, zen nudist. So I wonder how many of us as dubs claimed not to believe in the immortal soul doctrine and yet rejected the Society's claim that the spirit is nothing but an electricity-like force?

  it seems to me that all Dub's have an unconscious belief in an immortal soul.... after all they do believe they will SLEEP in death and then that part of them sleeping will awaken.... I doubt a single one of them really thinks they will be destroyed and a copy will be allowed to live in their place.
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  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

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  zen nudist

  To get around it, I secretly made up my own belief that tried to avoid the doctrine of the "immortal soul" and the Society's annihilationism

  I did something similar which allowed me to stay in the borg in a somewhat sane fashion...

  I had heard that in QM one could not directly read a quatum energy signiture without changing it.... but one could have another medium read it and then put it on another copy like the transporter in startrek so that all the original info is retained exactly and no copies would be able to be made...so I figured that the spirit which returns to God could accomplish this go between work from my old self to the new self and solve all the problems....

  this satisfied me for months until I made the mistake of bringing it up to an elder.... he said that per watchtower dogma NO info was taken by the spirit leaving us at death, that it was like electricity only and its return meant that it just stopped working like pulling the plug on a radio.

  but I kept my view in secret afterwards until my final exit
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  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

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  zen nudist

  So if you are that "One", do we get to blame you for all the crap that's going on in the world...

  you can blame me for not being an ideal fantasy version of what I am.... but if you accept me as you find me, there is nothing to blame

  reality is perfect until you compare it to something its not...which is only done in human ignorance of reality, not understanding of it.
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  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

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  zen nudist

  guess the question for us would be the status of the "data" from the death of the physical body till it's re-install in a newly made one. One could easily liken the data "you" (as a mental entity) to a "soul" and I still think that the wording might be argued by some but the concept is as you describe essentially the same

  if data alone were involved there would be no problem.... the main point is that I am not data, but something some entity, or whatever who is AWARE of data.... I find no way that data can be ware of itself.... so moving data around is not moving that aspect which I most associate with me, my awareness.

  from buddhism I find an interesting concept

  the Buddha taught that those who say there is an immortal soul are mistaken, but those who deny one were just as mistaken... which of course leaves most poeple just scratching their heads.....

  for me it boils down to this:

  I have NEVER known a moment when I did not exist and I will never know such a moment.....

  but the me who knows is always existing only in one moment, now.... so NOW is the only moment I ever have to worry about...

  is there life after death? the main thing to me is there life BEFORE death? even if I was reincarnated from a prior existance, that does not guarentee that system will continue either.... so now is all I got, now is when I always find myself alive, now is when I have to make any decisions that I need to make, so now is where I have learned to live...and my life has significantly improved since I have stopped trying to live in the future and stopped worrying about changing the past...two things I have never experienced, but only worried too much about.

  metaphysically I find that I am a wave upon the ocean and the ocean.... what I am is made of many changing elements and relationships of the one thing which never changes, the overall total universe which never grows nor shrinks in energy... while it may change wildly in size and shape and relationships within it.... so part of me is never the same from moment to moment while all of me is always the same eternally...which I believe answers the buddha's puzzle.